Saturday, April 28, 2007

Chaalo Udwada - on Behram roj, Adar mah - Sunday 6h May 2007


From: Tehemton B. Adenwalla <tba@xtra.co.nz>
Date: Apr 28, 2007 10:59 AM
Subject: Chaalo Udwada - on Behram roj, Adar mah - Sunday 6h May 2007

 
A reminder for this much awaited event.
 
Sincerely
Tehemton B. Adenwalla
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:13 PM
Subject: [Traditional Zs] Chaalo Udwada

 

Jashan and Community Lunch on Roj Behram Mah Adar Y.Z.1376, Sunday 6th May 2007,
in memory of Late Sheth Framroze Nariman Lakdawala.
 
Jashan Ceremony at 10 a.m. at Pak Iranshah Atashbehram.
 
All Mobed Sahebs of Udwada are hereby invited to attend and take part in the Jashan Ceremony
 
Lunch : All zarthosti humdins are cordially invited for Lunch between 10 a.m. to 2 p.m.
Venue : Next to Pundole Adarian, Udwada.
 
Menu : Non Veg: - Hyderabadi Chicken, Veg Pulav Dal, Chips, Achar, Cold drink, Icecream.
            Veg : Stew - Chapati, Veg Pulav Dal, Cold drink, Icecream.
 
Coupon : For Rs. 5.00 only (The proceeds will go to the Iranshah Kathi Fund).
 
Coupons available at : Surat - Maneck Turel, Modi Shehnshahi Atashbehram.
                                  Navsari - Viraf Patel, Dream Corner, Opp. S.T. Depot, Avan Baug, Navsari. Tel: 9825204682
                                  Valsad - Noshirbhai Zaroliwala, Three wells, Moti Parsiwad.
                                  Udwada - Firoze Dastoor Sukhad shop - Opp. Pak Iranshah Atashbehram
                                  Mumbai - Firoze Dastoor, Boyce Agyari, Tardeo.
                                  Ahmedabad - Zorastrian Ladies Industries, Khanpur. 
 
Please note that Lunch Coupons will be available upto 4th May 2007 only.
 
Bus Service available from Surat and Navsari.
 
For Bus bookings please contact :
Surat : From 25th April to 28th April - Homibhai Italia, Sayedpura, Parsiwad.
Navsari : From 25th April to 28th April - Viraf Patel, Dream Corner, Opp. S.T. Depot, Avan Baug, Navsari.
 
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Salgrehs of different agiaries on Sarosh roj, Adar Mah YZ 1376 (3 May 2007)

From: Tehemton B. Adenwalla <tba@xtra.co.nz>
Date: Apr 28, 2007 10:52 AM
Subject: Salgrehs of different agiaries on Sarosh roj, Adar Mah YZ
1376 (3 May 2007)

Dear Zarathushti friends,

this is an advance announcement of the Salgreh of our Agiaries on
Sarosh roj, Adar mah YZ 1376 (ie. Thurs, 3 May 2007).

We hope this would help our dear readers to plan their trips to these
agiaries well in time.

If you wish to share the event Calendar for any of these salgrehs,
please feel to do so with our members.

(Listed In order of establishment)


Seth Bhikhaji Hormasji Chinai Agiary at Gandevi, off Billimora
Station, South Gujarat
Consecrated in the year YZ 1203 (AD 1834) and is 173 years old

Have enclosed some photos of this beautiful and serene agiary.

Seth Bomanji Merwanji Mewawalla Agiary at Byculla, Mumbai
Consecrated in the year YZ 1220 (AD 1851) and is 156 years old

Seth Pallonji Khurshedji Cama Daremeher at Cama Baug, Grant Road, Mumbai
Consecrated in the year YZ 1238 (AD 1869) and is 138 years old

Seth Hormusji Gandabhai Daremeher (Dadgah) at Pardi, next stop to
Udvada, Gujarat

Consecrated in the year YZ 1250 (AD 1881) and is 126 years old
Seth Edulji Rustomji Soonawalla Agiary at Mahim, Mumbai
Consecrated in the year YZ 1282 (AD 1913) and is 94 years old

Sincerely,
Tehemton B. Adenwalla (encl photos)

Wednesday, April 25, 2007

Salgreh of Iranshah and other agiaries today on Adar mah, Adar roj - some photos & devotional song

From: Tehemton B. Adenwalla <tba@xtra.co.nz>
Date: Apr 25, 2007 10:57 AM
Subject: Salgreh of Iranshah and other agiaries today on Adar mah,
Adar roj - some photos & devotional song

Dear fellow Zarathushtis,


Today on Adar mah, Adar roj YZ 1376, ie. Wed, 25th April 2007, is the
Salgreh of the Holy Iranshah at Udvada.

The Holy Iranshah was consecrated in Sanjan in the year YZ 90 (721
AD) and is 1286 hence years old.

Can you believe it ... 1286 years old!

Iranshah has been with us Zarathushtis for more than a millennium!

We pray that He remain with us forever and Bless and Guide the community.

There is so much one can write on Iranshah that a book will be filled up.

Today He is housed in the peaceful village of Udvada, which hopefully
will be spared from commercialisation, industrialisation and the other
evils which convert the pavitra environment of our lovely villages
into urban mess.

It is the duty of each and every Zarathushti to look after Iranshah,
Udvada, the other 7 Atashbehrams, and our numerous Adarians and
Atash-Dadgahs.

There are many ways to do so. One is to ensure that the Fires in these
places get their daily kathi supplies. Kathi is the real food of the
Fires, it is the logs of wood which the boi-priests offer the Fires.
What we devotees offer as sandalwood is consumed in just minutes, it
is the kathi wood which really keeps the Fires going. Hence, it is
imperative that the Atashbehram-Agiary has adequate supply of kathi.
We can offer help there by contributing to their kathi funds or
offering to grow kathi wood if we live in rural areas.

Mr. Rustom Chothia's Kathi Appeal is circulated periodically on TZML,
and those interested may contact Mr. Chothia on chothia@vsnl.com

Another way to look after our places of worship is to be trustees in
the Agiary Board. Some people can offer professional help, if they
have a construction, painting, architect background, so that the
building can be looked after. Lawyers and solicitors can help the
trustees in legal affairs.

The Fire Temples are what our ancestors left us for safekeeping and
patronage, lets keep them in good condition and Burning and Alive for
future Zarathushtis to come.

On the Salgreh day, there will be a big function at Udvada.

Those who attend may send us a report of the jashan, the guests, the
community lunch, and other ceremonies which take place at Udvada on
Adar roj (Wed, 25 April).

Photographs too are most welcome.

Salgreh of other Agiaries too on Adar mah, Adar roj

These then are the Adorable Agiaries whose salgrehs too fall on Adar
mah, Adar roj.

(in chronological order)

1. Seth Banaji Limji Daremeher, Fort, Mumbai
Consecrated in the year YZ 1078 (1709), hence it is 298 years old

It is the oldest agiary in Mumbai!

2. Seth Maneckji Navrozji Seth Agiary, Bazargate Gate Street, Fort, Mumbai
Consecrated in the year YZ 1102 (AD 1733), hence it is 274 years old.

3. Seth Dadabhai Dhanjibhai and Sohrabji Shapurji Gabba Daremeher,
Billimora, Gujarat
The book by Mr. Giara says it was consecrated in the year YZ 1289
(1899), hence it is 87? / 108? years old.

4. Seth Jivanji Jamaspji Mistry Adarian, Syedpura, Surat
Consecrated in the year YZ 1266 (1897), hence it is 110 years old

5. Seth Pirojsha Ardeshir Patel Agiary, Andheri, Mumbai
Consecrated in the year YZ 1277 (1908), hence it is 99 years old

6. Dorabji Edulji Jamsina or Mithaiwalla Agiary, Grant Road, Mumbai
Consecrated in the year YZ 1280 (1911), hence it is 96 years old

7. Seth Nanabhoy Bejanji Choski Daremeher, Panchgani
Consecrated in the year YZ 1300 (1931), hence it is 76 years old

Thank you,

Sincerely,

Tehemton B. Adenwalla (encl. photos of Iranshah and a song on Adar -
Ahura Mazda na putra)

Tuesday, April 24, 2007

Parsis an Adoption - A Legal Analysis by Mr Noshir H Dadrawalla

From: TZML Admn <tzmladmn@gmail.com>
Date: Apr 24, 2007 3:42 PM
Subject: Parsis an Adoption - A Legal Analysis by Mr Noshir H Dadrawalla

Dear fellow Zarathushtis,


To: TZML - Traditional Zarathushtrian Mailing List ]

cc:
Vada Dasturjis, Ervad Sahebs,
Bombay Parsee Punchayat (BPP),
Zoroastrian Studies,
Religious Anjumans,
Priestly Madrassas,
Traditional Zoroastrian Home page moderators,
TMYZ officials,
prominent Zarathushtis, etc


Just yesterday we sent you the report from Mrs. Pervin Mistry
explaining how wrong adoption was for Parsis - both from the religious
and legal point of view.

On the heels of that letter, we have received a report from Mr Noshir
Dadrawalla, where he has explained the legal matters connected with
it.

You may also study the expert opinion of Noshirbhai, who has been
writing on community affairs for more than 20 years!

Mrs Pervin Mistry says: "This rebuttal is written by Noshir Dadrawala.
It needs to be circulated widely so Parsis everywhere know the truth
regarding the adoption issue as well as what level of ignorance these
ARZ folks possess! They only end up displaying their foolishness every
time they pen something!

This is a very good response to ARZ's Vispy Wadia who thinks he can
promote wrong, anti religious practices without being held
accountable! It is a fact that the Wadia brothers have displayed total
ignorance about religious, legal, historical and social matters every
time they have tried to show off their "power" to alter our divinely
revealed scriptures, rituals and time-honoured traditions.

Please read the response given by Noshir and do circulate this so the
gullible do not get carried away. Thanks.

So here it is dear friends the authoritative opinion of Mr Dadrawalla
on this subject.

Sincerely
TZML Admins (please see below)

Parsis And Adoption - A Legal Analysis

By Noshir H. Dadrawala

This has reference to Mr. Vispy N. Wadia's article,
"Adoption………………..Nothing Illegal About It" (JJW April 22, 2007).

The only codified law available for adoption in India is THE HINDU
ADOPTION AND MAINTENANCE ACT (HAMA ). This Act came into force in 1956
and is applicable to:

· any person who is a Hindu by religion in any of its forms or
development;

· any person who is a Buddhist, Jain or Sikh;

· any person who is not a Muslim, Christian, Parsi or Jew;

· any child legitimate or illegitimate whose parents are
Hindus, Buddhists, Jains or Sikhs;

· any child legitimate or illegitimate one of whose parents
are Hindus, Buddhists, Jains or Sikhs and has been so brought up;

· any abandoned child, legitimate or illegitimate of unknown
parentage brought up as a Hindu, Buddhist, etc.;

· any person who is a convert to the Hindu, Buddhist, Jain or
Sikh religion.

It is clear from the above that HAMA is NOT APPLICABLE TO PARSIS.

THE GUARDIAN AND WARD ACT (GWA) 1890

The Personal law of Muslims, Christians, Parsis and Jews does not
recognize complete adoption. In India, as non-Hindus do not have an
enabling law to adopt a child legally, those desirous of adopting a
child can only take the child in 'guardianship' under the provisions
of 'The Guardian and Wards Act, 1890' (GWA).

GWA, however, does not provide to the child the same status as a child
born biologically to the family.

Unlike a child adopted under the Hindu Adoption and Maintenance Act,
1956 the child cannot become their own or inherit their property by
right.

The GWA confers only a guardian-ward relationship. This legal
guardian-ward relationship exists until the child completes 21 years
of age.

Under the GWA, persons belonging to communities such as Muslim,
Christian, Parsi or Jew and who wish to adopt can only take up
"guardianship" of the child. In India, under Indian laws, such
children do not enjoy the same status as those of a biological child.

In fact, under GWA the term 'Guardian' means minor for whose person or
property or both, there is a guardian.

The term 'Ward' means a minor for whose person or property or both,
there is a guardian.

In other words, if a Parsi parent desires to 'adopt' a child, the
latter would not legally be considered "as if born to" the adoptive
individual or couple.

Incidentally, even Islam does not recognize adoption. In Mohammed
Allahdad Khan v. Mohammad Ismail it was held that there is nothing in
the Mohammedan Law similar to adoption as recognized in the Hindu
System. Parsi Zoroastrians also hold the same view.

With reference to the recent case of the 'Navjote' of the 'adopted'
girl child by the Bangalore-based Parsi couple, Noshir and Phiroza
Rustomji the legal position is quite clear:


mere performance of 'Navjote' ceremony on a child whose parentage is
unknown cannot make him/her a 'Parsi Zoroastrian';
even assuming that with performance of the 'Navjote', the child has
been initiated as a 'Zoroastrian', it still does not make him/her a
'Parsi Zoroastrian' and, as such, the child cannot enjoy as of legal
right the benefits of religious institutions which have been lawfully
established under Deeds of Settlement and Trust for the benefit of
'Parsi Zoroastrians Only'.

(end of Noshir Dadrawalla's article)

Adoption - "Everything Il-legal about it" : say Mrs Pervin Mistry. And Mr Noshir H Dadrawalla's article too

From: TZML Admn <tzmladmn@gmail.com>
Date: Apr 23, 2007 11:31 AM
Subject: Adoption - "Everything Il-legal about it" : say Mrs Pervin
Mistry. And Mr Noshir H Dadrawalla's article too

Dear fellow Zarathushtis,

[ To: TZML - Traditional Zarathushtrian Mailing List ]

[cc: Vada Dasturjis, Ervad Sahebs, Bombay Parsee Punchayat (BPP),
Zoroastrian Studies, Religious Anjumans, Priestly Madrassas,
Traditional Zoroastrian Home page moderators, TMYZ officials,
prominent Zarathushtis, etc ]

once again ARZ have spread wrong information about adoption in the
Parsee community.

This time it is in yesterday's Jame weekly of 22 April 2007.

We reproduce what Mrs. Pervin J Mistry has written about the recent
blunder by ARZ (Association of "Revival?" of Zoroastrianism).

And in the end, we reproduce an authoritative article from the famous
Zoroastrian writer, Noshir H Dadrawala, on this topic.

Fellow Zarathushtis, please do not be swayed by the false teachings by
false prophets sweeping our community today - be it conversion,
juddin-naojotes, adoption, inter-marriage, etc.

In this erroneous days, it pays to be traditional.

If you need to protect your children and your families from false
propaganda, see that they join the 2 trusted names on the internet -
TZML and TMYZ. There you can ask questions on many religious topics
and get proper traditional answers to your queries.

The subscription for these platforms is just sending an email on:
TraditionalZarathushtris-subscribe@yahoogroups.com (for TZML)
TMYZ-subscribe@yahoogroups.com (for TMYZ)

A ready made source of information is the Traditional Zoroastrian Home
page, found at

www.zoroastrianism.com . You may write to them at
traditionals@zoroastrianism.com

Sincerely,
TZML Admins (please see below for Mrs. Mistry's reply and then of Mr
Noshir Dadrawalla


From: Mrs Pervin J Mistry
Sunday, April 22, 2007


Dear Zarathushtis,

Today's Jam-e shows to what dismal depths of din-dushmani it has sunk
to! While it condemns all the traditionalists it promotes only the
din-dushmans and their jaundiced views. If a Parsi media is only out
to destroy all old traditions, rituals, scriptures, mobed sahebs and
Zarathushtis who remain true to the Faith, then what can the community
expect from the "Jam-e Team", its mysterious "Editorial Board" and
from its promoters except blasphemy!

On page 16, one of the ARZ founder member, Vispy N. Wadia, writes
about "Adoption.. Nothing Illegal About It"! In the past, we have
discussed the two Wadia brothers' display of supreme ignorance on
religious matters especially when they persistently mistranslate the
Sacred Avesta to fool the gullible into accepting their kind of
religious thuggery. To prove the absence of informed rational thought
in today's Jam-e, it is necessary to first discuss ARZ's posting in
last Sunday's Jam-e. ARZ divertes the weekly religious sham to social
isssues and asks, "What is more important - the Parsi race, or - the
Zoroastrian religion?"

Needless to say, ARZ founder members and members are totally unaware
that our sagacious Achaemenian Kings have proudly carved on majestic
mountains, so all visitors may know, for aeons to come, that they
belong to the Parsi (Zarathushti) Religion and the Race of Aryans!
Parsi is not a race, it is a Religion. The Great Achaenemian King
Darius has carved his ancestry at Naqsh-i-Rustom as ".... parsa,
parsahya puthra ariya ariyachithra", meaning "I, Darius, the great
king, the king of kings ... a Parsi, the son of a Parsi, an Aryan, of
Aryan family". Darius calls himself of Aryan descent or lineage. He
affirms that he is a Parsi by religion, born as the son of a Parsi,
and Aryan by race!

Race and religion are two separate issues. Religion is a set of
revealed scriptures, traditions, rituals and beliefs. Race indicates
major divisions of mankind with distinct physical characteristics. For
example, the Chinese, as a race, are distinct in physical
characteristics from the Africans or the Aryans. Parsi is not a race,
never has been and we do not define ourselves as a race. Ethnicity
means having common national or cultural traditions. The Parsis are a
distinct ethno-religious community but we are not a "race"! One would
wish that at least the Wadia brothers would first brush up on their
knowledge of other issues besides the religious issues of which they
are totally oblivious!

In today's Jam-e they display their ignorance by stating that adoption
of a juddin is not illegal. May it please them to know: 1) India gives
religious freedom to all minorities. As such, according our scriptural
tenets, we are enjoined NOT to adopt juddins! Mr. Noshir Dadrawala has
given a legal opinion in the Jam-e dated April 15th, page 13, "Parsis
and Adoption", where he categorically states that Parsis are exempt
from the Adoption Bill. As a religious community we are free to follow
our own tenets as defined in our Sacred Scriptures! 2) When late Mrs.
Indira Gandhji was the Prime Minister, a delegation of Parsis seeking
exemption from the Adoption Bill had an audience with her at Delhi.
Mrs. Indira Gandhi gave the exemption as per our religion rules. 3)
Adopting a juddin child and getting the navjote performed of such a
child is proselytism which is forbidden in our religion! No judiciary,
no law of the land and no individual can enforce an anti-religious
rule on a religious community provided such a communal, religious
practice does not endanger the peace of other communities. We have
survived for longer than the past millennium in India peacefully and
have gained the respect of all other communities living in India
because we have followed the closed-door policy of non-proselytism.
Yet, we have been universal in our approach where social and
philanthropic work is concerned. The Parsis have been exemplary
citizens of India since the past 1300 years and the Government has
never enforced any laws upon us that are anti-doctrinal! No Government
has the right to alter any divinely revealed scriptures, especially
ours which are held to be one of world's oldest! 4) We are enjoined to
adopt a "palak puthra" on the chahrum day if a Zarathushti dies
without leaving behind any heirs but this adopted person is an adult
who undertakes to perform all the obsequies of the deceased relative
and such an individual is of course adopted from among the relatives,
one who is a Parsi-Irani-Zarathushti!

Without taking into consideration the judicial as well as the more
important religious aspect, ARZ again indulges in din-dushmani by
promoting "adoption" of juddins! And what better way to promote their
ignorant and anti-religious views than to pay Jam-e to publish such
heresy?

It is now time for us to become pro-active and work to bring about the
end of din-dushmani by electing those on the chairs of BPP who are
religiously learned because the BPP trustees are accountable to the
community which they serve, in all religious as well as social and
financial matters. Religious, because they are duty bound to protect
and preserve our religious institutions.

Sincerely,

Pervin J Mistry,
22nd April 2007


Parsis and Adoption
By Noshir H. Dadrawala

This has reference to Manoj R. Nair's article "Adopted Girl Enters
Parsi Fold, Priests Say Not Rite" (Mumbai Mirror – April 4, 2007).

There is no legal adoption among Parsis in India. The tradition of
naming a "palak" for undertaking obsequies of a deceased cannot and
should not be confused with adoption.

The "Guardians and Wards Act of 1890" does not give the adopted child
"legal rights of a biological child," which are specifically spelt out
in the "Hindu Adoption and Maintenance Act of 1956." However, the
latter is not applicable to Parsis.

Sometime ago Justice Rebello had passed a judgment "in the matter of
adoption by Christian couples". This cannot be made applicable to
Parsis.

The question arises, is it illegal or irreligious for Parsi couples,
especially child-less couples, to adopt children?

The position in law is quite clear. There is no legal adoption among
Parsis and therefore if a couple decides to adopt a child, the latter
would not enjoy automatic rights of inheritance etc., which a
biological child born out of the couple's wedlock would have in the
natural course enjoyed. The couple therefore would have to make wills
and such testamentary documents to confer various rights of
inheritance.

From a religious point of view, if a Parsi Zoroastrian couple,
especially a childless couple, desires to adopt a child born of Parsi
Zoroastrian parents, there should be no reason for discouragement. The
couple may happily fill the void in their life and shower the child
with love, affection and good upbringing. Testamentary and other
documents may be executed to ensure the child's right of inheritance.
The Navjote of such a child should also be performed at the proper
time.

However, one would be treading into a rather grey area as far as
'Religious Rights' are concerned, if a child were adopted from a
secular adoption center (where the biological parentage of the child
can seldom be ascertained). The question would arise as to how such a
child can be allowed to enter and worship at a consecrated fire temple
(legally as by long custom and usage restricted to Parsi Zoroastrians
only) or participate in a religious ceremony.

Merely performing the navjote ceremony of a child whose parentage is
unknown cannot make the child a 'Parsi Zoroastrian'.

India being a secular state, on one hand, and having given
constitutional rights of freedom of religion to individual citizens,
as also to religious denominations on the other, no civil legislation
can have such provisions as may disturb such religious freedom.

Who can be a member of a particular religious denomination or who can
have a right to insist on being a member thereof and being entitled to
the use of its religious institutions is determined by the personal
law of that denomination which, again, is based on the precepts,
beliefs and tenets of the religion.

Article 25(1) of the Constitution of India provides that all persons
are equally entitled to freedom of conscience and the right freely to
profess, practice and propagate religion. This sub-section in terms
provides that it is subject to "public order, morality and health and
to other provisions of this part". It is therefore subject to Article
26(b), which provides that every religious denomination or any section
thereof shall have the right "to manage its own affairs in matters of
religion".

Adoption is not recognized by the Parsi Zoroastrian community. This is
an established fact and therefore, no judge of the High Court or
Supreme Court can sit in judgment on it. To quote Justice Dinshaw
Davar (ILR 33 Bom 122), "If this is the belief of the community and it
is proved undoubtedly to be the belief of the Zoroastrian community -
a secular Judge is bound to accept that belief - it is not for him to
sit in judgment of that belief."

Also, there is no "law of the land" which can force a priest to
perform the "navjote" of such adopted children whose parentage is
unknown.

Navjotes of such 'adopted' children, whose parentage is unknown, may
be good for the emotional satisfaction of the adoptive parents.
However, it cannot confer any legal or religious rights to the child.

Friday, April 6, 2007

Behram roj - celebrated by visits to Iranshah (Udvada) and othe Atashbehrams

Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:13 PM
Subject: [Traditional Zs] Chaalo Udwada

 

Jashan and Community Lunch on Roj Behram Mah Adar Y.Z.1376, Sunday 6th May 2007,
in memory of Late Sheth Framroze Nariman Lakdawala.
 
Jashan Ceremony at 10 a.m. at Pak Iranshah Atashbehram.
 
All Mobed Sahebs of Udwada are hereby invited to attend and take part in the Jashan Ceremony
 
Lunch : All zarthosti humdins are cordially invited for Lunch between 10 a.m. to 2 p.m.
Venue : Next to Pundole Adarian, Udwada.
 
Menu : Non Veg: - Hyderabadi Chicken, Veg Pulav Dal, Chips, Achar, Cold drink, Icecream.
            Veg : Stew - Chapati, Veg Pulav Dal, Cold drink, Icecream.
 
Coupon : For Rs. 5.00 only (The proceeds will go to the Iranshah Kathi Fund).
 
Coupons available at : Surat - Maneck Turel, Modi Shehnshahi Atashbehram.
                                  Navsari - Viraf Patel, Dream Corner, Opp. S.T. Depot, Avan Baug, Navsari. Tel: 9825204682
                                  Valsad - Noshirbhai Zaroliwala, Three wells, Moti Parsiwad.
                                  Udwada - Firoze Dastoor Sukhad shop - Opp. Pak Iranshah Atashbehram
                                  Mumbai - Firoze Dastoor, Boyce Agyari, Tardeo.
                                  Ahmedabad - Zorastrian Ladies Industries, Khanpur. 
 
Please note that Lunch Coupons will be available upto 4th May 2007 only.
 
Bus Service available from Surat and Navsari.
 
For Bus bookings please contact :
Surat : From 25th April to 28th April - Homibhai Italia, Sayedpura, Parsiwad.
Navsari : From 25th April to 28th April - Viraf Patel, Dream Corner, Opp. S.T. Depot, Avan Baug, Navsari.
 
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Parsees and adoption - opinion by various Zoroastrians - Mr Dadrawala, Mr Khojeste Mistree, Mr Ranina etc

From: TZML Admn <tzmladmn@gmail.com>
Date: Apr 5, 2007 6:58 AM
Subject: Parsees and adoption - opinion by various Zoroastrians - Mr Dadrawala, Mr Khojeste Mistree, Mr Ranina etc

 
Dear fellow humdins,
 
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[cc: Vada Dasturjis, Ervad Sahebs, Bombay Parsee Punchayat (BPP), Zoroastrian Studies, Religious Anjumans, Priestly Madrassas, Traditional Zoroastrian Home page moderators, TMYZ officials, prominent Zarathushtis, etc ]
 
once again we hear reports in the cosmopolitan press about whether adoption is allowed in the Parsee community.
 
The High Priests (Vada Dasturjis) have clearly said "No - It is not permitted".
 
Yet we hear about a Bangalore businessman attempting to get an adopted child through the back-door by doing its "naojote".
 
Such "naojotes" are not recognised by the community, and religiously speaking, it is not valid in Nature.
 
Here are some opinions of various Zoroastrians, which includes writers and scholars like Mr. Noshir Dadrawala and Mr Khojeste Mistree.
 
Sincerely
TZML Admins
encl.   1.  Parsis and Adoption - by Noshir H Dadrawala (this write-up was recently sent by the author to Jame Jamshed, Mumbai Samachar and Parsiana)          2.  Mr. Khojeste Mistree's views,          3.  Mr. Homi Ranina's views
 
Parsis and Adoption
By Noshir H. Dadrawala

 

This has reference to Manoj R. Nair's article "Adopted Girl Enters Parsi Fold, Priests Say Not Rite" (Mumbai Mirror – April 4, 2007).

 

There is no legal adoption among Parsis in India. The tradition of naming a "palak" for undertaking obsequies of a deceased cannot and should not be confused with adoption.

 

The "Guardians and Wards Act of 1890" does not give the adopted child "legal rights of a biological child," which are specifically spelt out in the "Hindu Adoption and Maintenance Act of 1956." However, the latter is not applicable to Parsis.

 

Sometime ago Justice Rebello had passed a judgment "in the matter of adoption by Christian couples". This cannot be made applicable to Parsis.

 

The question arises, is it illegal or irreligious for Parsi couples, especially child-less couples, to adopt children?

 

The position in law is quite clear. There is no legal adoption among Parsis and therefore if a couple decides to adopt a child, the latter would not enjoy automatic rights of inheritance etc., which a biological child born out of the couple's wedlock would have in the natural course enjoyed. The couple therefore would have to make wills and such testamentary documents to confer various rights of inheritance.

 

From a religious point of view, if a Parsi Zoroastrian couple, especially a childless couple, desires to adopt a child born of Parsi Zoroastrian parents, there should be no reason for discouragement. The couple may happily fill the void in their life and shower the child with love, affection and good upbringing. Testamentary and other documents may be executed to ensure the child's right of inheritance. The Navjote of such a child should also be performed at the proper time.

 

However, one would be treading into a rather grey area as far as 'Religious Rights' are concerned, if a child were adopted from a secular adoption center (where the biological parentage of the child can seldom be ascertained). The question would arise as to how such a child can be allowed to enter and worship at a consecrated fire temple (legally as by long custom and usage restricted to Parsi Zoroastrians only) or participate in a religious ceremony.

 

Merely performing the navjote ceremony of a child whose parentage is unknown cannot make the child a 'Parsi Zoroastrian'.

 

India being a secular state, on one hand, and having given constitutional rights of freedom of religion to individual citizens, as also to religious denominations on the other, no civil legislation can have such provisions as may disturb such religious freedom.

 

Who can be a member of a particular religious denomination or who can have a right to insist on being a member thereof and being entitled to the use of its religious institutions is determined by the personal law of that denomination which, again, is based on the precepts, beliefs and tenets of the religion.

 

Article 25(1) of the Constitution of India provides that all persons are equally entitled to freedom of conscience and the right freely to profess, practice and propagate religion. This sub-section in terms provides that it is subject to "public order, morality and health and to other provisions of this part". It is therefore subject to Article 26(b), which provides that every religious denomination or any section thereof shall have the right "to manage its own affairs in matters of religion".

 

Adoption is not recognized by the Parsi Zoroastrian community. This is an established fact and therefore, no judge of the High Court or Supreme Court can sit in judgment on it. To quote Justice Dinshaw Davar (ILR 33 Bom 122), "If this is the belief of the community and it is proved undoubtedly to be the belief of the Zoroastrian community - a secular Judge is bound to accept that belief - it is not for him to sit in judgment of that belief."

 

Also, there is no "law of the land" which can force a priest to perform the "navjote" of such adopted children whose parentage is unknown.

 

Navjotes of such 'adopted' children, whose parentage is unknown, may be good for the emotional satisfaction of the adoptive parents. However, it cannot confer any legal or religious rights to the child.

 

(end, see below for more)

 
Khojeste Mistree's views on the recent attempt to adopt into the Parsee fold
"Bangalore has a high priest who would not have given permission for the ceremony. That is the reason why they had to take priests from Mumbai. She certainly will not be able to enter the fire temple in Bangalore. So in this case, the navjote will not serve any purpose except to make the parents happy."
 
Mr Homi Ranina's views on the recent attempt to adopt into the Parsee fold
"It will not be accepted because the ceremony has to done by recognised priests. Adoption is a sensitive issue in the community because Parsi laws do not recognise adoption. Otherwise, people adopted by Parsi parents will  start demanding rights over houses in our colonies in Mumbai ."