[TMYZ] Re: [Traditional Zs] Green agiaries - Having water purification, use of sun rays, compost treatment mini-unit, etc

From: Tehemton B. Adenwalla
Date: Dec 14, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [TMYZ] Re: [Traditional Zs] Green agiaries - Having water
purification, use of sun rays, compost treatment mini-unit, etc
To: TZML <TraditionalZarathushtris@yahoogroups.com>

Baname Khuda!

Dear brother Kaizad,

thank you for enlightening both TZML and TMYZ members on the
availability of such fine and knowledge-laden books we as the
Zarathushti community possess.

There is so much wisdom in these books you have mentioned.

To be able to have ready-made 17 tariquats for us to put in practise
in this day and age is indeed very good.

I hope all devout Zarathushtis get a copy of these writings and try
and implement them in their daily lives.

On a related subject of "translating it in English", I am bit sad that
even Parsis who have done their education in India want English
translations. Why this step-motherly treatment of our mother-tongue,
which for most Parsis from India is Gujarati.

My hearty and sincere recommendation to fellow-Parsis is that if you
have studied even elementary Gujarati or Hindi in school, then
orienting to the Gujarati religious books is not difficult. The
language is same K, Kh, G, Gg, etc.

There is a certain pleasure in reading our religious books in original
language which the authors like Dr F S Chiniwalla who is mentioned
here. With translation, some much of the essence and spirit is lost.
It is as if the eastern Zarathushti religion is brought down a level
or two to cater for the western and limited understanding of the
Zarathushti religion. So many words and emotions cannot be effectively
translated without losing accuracy.

And most important the pronunciation of the Avesta manthras is not the
same in English as in Gujarati, which has a superior way of
representing important sounds than the current version of English can.

If fellow Zarathushtis wish to brush up their Gujarati, then we have
these very good sites:

http://tenets.zoroastrianism.com/readguj33b.html

http://www.ukindia.com/zguj1.htm

Gujarati Lessons Zip file by Ukindia

My apologies to Ervad Meher for not yet replying to your fine email a
few days ago.

I will do so shortly.

With best wishes
Tehemton B. Adenwalla

The Parsee Voice issue - cautioning on sinister developments in Udvada

From: TZML Admins
Date: Dec 12, 2007 3:29 PM
Subject: The Parsee Voice issue - cautioning on sinister developments in Udvada
To: TZML <TraditionalZarathushtris@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: The Parsee Voice

12 December 2007

Dear Zarathushti humdins,

cc: Vada Dasturjis,
Ervad Sahebs,
The Parsee Voice,
Zoroastrian Studies,
Parsi Pukar,
Dini-Awaz,
Prominent Zoroastrians,
TZML
TMYZ officials

we have received a latest copy of the Parsee Voice, which is a journal
that protects the interests of the community.

The latest issue deals with Udvada and the efforts by some
Zarathushtis to convert Udvada into a "tourist town", and bring in
non-Zoroastrian tourists in this peaceful village-town. This is
clearly not how Udvada, which houses the greatest of our Holy Atashes
- the Iranshah - should be categorised.

Udvada is, firstly and lastly, a religious place, not a tourist destination.

Zoroastrians primarily go to Udvada for worshipping Iranshah, and it
is important that the atmosphere around Iranshah in Udvada must be
kept sanctified and pure. While Zoroastrians themselves commit big
errors in the rules of bodily and spiritual purity before going to
Iranshah (like not taking a shower/bath or even performing the
necessary kusti), one can just imagine what would happen when
non-Zoroastrians would descend in droves at Udvada gaam.

There is a need for increasing the Zarathushti presence in Udvada,
there is a need for young and middle-aged Parsi families to settle in
Udvada and bring some life to the place, there is a need for small
scale "cottage industries" to be promoted in Udvada to give both
Zarathushtis and non-Zarathushtis a livelihood, but apart from that
any large scale activities will ruin the place.

The Foundation for Development of Udvada (FDU) should bear all this in
mind before it encourages any activity which could be detrimental to
the sanctified atmosphere of Udvada.

The Parsee Voice, with its knowledgeable team and well-researched
outlook, have come out with an issue which makes us sit back and think
whether we as a community are headed in the right direction.

There are some sinister motives behind organising and celebrating the
recent 265th Anniversary of Iranshah's coming to Udvada. This event
was organised with much fanfare, but one does wonder, as the Parsee
Voice does, is who would celebrate the an odd anniversary as 265th.
Normally one celebrates a 250th or a 275th or 300th Anniversary, but
265th? And another aspect which rings an alarm is the FDU was not
mentioned during the celebrations, why such secrecy and silence.

Hence dear Zarathushtis, please be alert and vigilant.

We enclose the Parsee Voice, Vol IV (11 and 12) and Vol V (1 & 2) as a
PDF attachment for you to read and pass along to other good
Zarathushti families.

The address for correspondence for The Parsee Voice is
theparseevoice@yahoo.com.

Our sincere thanks to the team at Parsee Voice and we hope they
continue their good work in 2008 and beyond.

With best wishes
TZML Admins

(encl The Parsee Voice issue)

[Traditional Zs] Re: Salgreh of some Atashbehram/Agiaries/Dadgahs in the coming days (of Tir mah)

From: Tehemton B. Adenwalla
Date: Dec 7, 2007 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Traditional Zs] Re: Salgreh of some
Atashbehram/Agiaries/Dadgahs in the coming days (of Tir mah)
To: TZML <TraditionalZarathushtris@yahoogroups.com>

Baname Khuda!

PETIT DADGAH, RUSTOMPURA, SURAT (SALGREH ON ROJ ARDIBEHEST, MAH MEHER)

Dear Mr. Pastakia,

thank you for the clarification.

I believe the date you have given Roj Ardibehest, Mah Meher ( which
will be 18th Feb in 2007) has been issued by the authorities of the
Agiary. I checked with a Gujarati calendar issues by the Union Press
and it had the same roj-mah too.

The earlier date was obtained by me from Mr. Giara's first edition
book. Perhaps it has been corrected in a subsequent edition.

Thank you for your alertness and painstaking effort to clarify the
matter for all of us.

Good wishes to yourself and the family.

Sincerely
Tehemton B. Adenwalla

On 12/7/07, KHUSHROO PASTAKIA wrote:

Please note 1 correction in the below mentioned message, its Mah-Maher
& Roj Ardibehst.

KSHNO THARO AHURA MAZDAO (Victory of Pak Dadar Ahura Mazda)
The Salgiri of Petit Dadgah, located in Mota Street, Rustompura is on
18th February'07, Mah-Asfandard and Roj-Ardibehst.

Salgrehs on Behram roj, Tir mah, YZ 1377 ( Fri, 7 Dec 2007)

From: Tehemton B. Adenwalla
Date: Dec 7, 2007 5:47 AM
Subject: Salgrehs on Behram roj, Tir mah, YZ 1377 ( Fri, 7 Dec 2007)
To: TZML <TraditionalZarathushtris@yahoogroups.com>

Baname Khuda!

Dear Zarathushti humdins,

today is the Behram roj of Tir Mah. The year is YZ 1377, and the
secular date is 7 Dec 2007.

Behram Yazad, the Lord of Victory!

What a wonderful Protector we have in Behram Yazad, who is indeed
Mushkil-e-Aasan.

Some Zarathushtis would have headed towards Udvada today to pay homage
to Iranshah, and some of them do it devotedly and religiously every
month. What dedication, what affection for the religion, and what a
commitment to Ahura Mazda and His putra (son) Adar Yazad!
Commendable indeed!

Today on Behram roj is also the Salgreh of these Agiaries:

1. The Seth Behramji Cowasji Batliwalla Agiary, Tardeo, Mumbai

This Adaran was consecrated in the year YZ 1234 (AD 10 Jan 1865) and
is 142 years old.

2. The Bodhan Anjuman Daremeher, Bodhan, Gujarat

Our member Mr. Khushroo A. Pastakia mentions that the Atash Padshah
Saheb there was shifted from Bodhan to the Bagee Padshah Adarian at
Sayadpura in Surat.

Is it right to conclude then that the Padshah Saheb is still with us,
although in different location and building and that the consecrated
Fire did not die out.

Hence is it correct to say that the Atash's Salgreh is still today on
Behram roj, because in my humble understanding the consecrated date
does not change when the Atash is re-housed somewhere, or does it? I
would believe that the consecrated date (and hence the Salgreh day)
remains the same always, unless a Fire is re-consecrated when it is
located elsewhere.

Isnt it like the birthday of a human being. He/she is born on a
particular roj and mah, and that is his/her birthday (salgreh),
irrespective of where the person moves to.

We had this discussion before too for other Atashes which have been
relocated, examples of the Billimoria and the Tavdi agiaries come to
mind.

We would really appreciate if someone knowledgable offer their opinion
on this topic.

Thank you Mr. Pastakia for sharing the information with us, but you
appreciate why we are still including this Atash Padshah in the
Salgreh list for today Behram roj.

On another note, devotees who attend the Salgreh ceremonies like
jashans or lectures etc held today, or of their visit to Iranshah, may
send us a report if they wish to.

Sincerely
Tehemton B. Adenwalla

Please feed poor school children in India

Friends,

A few moments of your time please.

Please feed poor school children in India at a nominal cost.

You can donate online in Indian rupees. It costs
Rs. 1200 per annum to feed ONE child one noonday
meal each day for a full YEAR.

The poor hungry kid will bless you all through the year for every
morsel that he/she eats for
the full year.

Indian scriptures say giving food in charity
is one of the best forms of charity.

http://www.akshayapatra.org/

The Akshaya Patra Foundation currently provides
8,25,247 hygienic and nutritious meals to
underprivileged school children everyday across
fourteen locations in India.

Regards,

Zoroastrian Admins,
Zoroastrian Matrimonial Page.

Pls spread the message. Anybody willing to help poor school children.

Message to a friend

My friend,

Dont say that. Everyone has a right to life, including the poorest
Indian boy or girl.

Life is from God as per our religion Zoroastrianism. When Ahura Mazda
first created the
earth, there was no death, no hunger, no suffering. All these things
are due to the fact
that evil attacked the earth. This is in the Bundahishn, the
Zoroastrian Pahlavi creation
scripture. Today, the world is suffering since good is mixed with evil.

But Prophets of Ahura Mazda are promised in our religion, Hoshedar,
Hoshedar-Mah,
and finally the Saoshyant, who will slowly remove this evil and make
the world a perfect
good place once again, free from hunger, suffering, illness, old age
and even death will
be removed. This is the positive promise of our religion. Our religion
is very optimistic
for living on earth.

God put us here on this earth as soldiers to do good and fight evil,
as per our sciptures.
The Fravashis chose to be born on earth as per this choice. Every time we do
the Kasti ritual, we fight evil. Every time we do charity and help the
poor, we fight evil.

Charity is also taught by our scriptures and Parsis are well known for
charity. It was
said in the past "Parsi, thy name is charity". We have a great heart.
Even today the
Indians consider Parsis as the best bosses and the least corrupt, people who
take care of their servants.

A man is known by not what he had, but by what he gave away to the needy.
Their sincere blessings are your true source of wealth, which will last one
even through death and beyond. We leave wealth and all possessions
behind, but blessings (Dua) of the poor stay with us and uplift our souls.

God Bless, feel free to ask me if any other questions.

Regards,

Your friend.

_______________________________
From: .....................
Sent: 04 December 2007 23:17
To: ...............................

let them go its worthless living on earth anyway

just joking

but I dont believe in charity

> Zoroastrian Friends,
>
> A few moments of your time please.
>
> Please feed poor school children in India at a nominal cost.
>
> You can donate online in Indian rupees. It costs
> Rs. 1200 per annum to feed ONE child one noonday
> meal each day for a full YEAR.
>
> The poor hungry kid will bless you all through the year for every morsel that he/she eats for
> the full year.
>
> Indian scriptures say giving food in charity
> is one of the best forms of charity.
>
> http://www.akshayapatra.org/
>
> The Akshaya Patra Foundation currently provides
> 8,25,247 hygienic and nutritious meals to
> underprivileged school children everyday across
> fourteen locations in India.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Zoroastrian Admins,
> Zoroastrian Matrimonial Page.
>
> Pls spread the message. Anybody willing to help poor school children.

Why SHOULD WE PRAY even if we can't understand a single word of our prayers

From: Tehemton B. Adenwalla
Date: Dec 5, 2007 5:26 AM
Subject: Why SHOULD WE PRAY even if we can't understand a single word
of our prayers
To: TZML <TraditionalZarathushtris@yahoogroups.com>

Baname Khuda!

This is very inspiring and true.

Sincerely
Tehemton B. Adenwalla

--Forwarded Message Attachment--

PRAYERS

Why SHOULD WE PRAY even if we can't understand a single word of our prayers ?

I RECEIVED THIS AS AN E-MAIL FROM SOMEONE and am presenting this to
you , in my way, - feel free to throw it , you know where , if it does
not appeal to you ; if it does , send it to others and a copy to me.
Please.

An old Farmer lived on a farm in the mountains with his young grandson.
Each morning Grandpa was up early sitting at the kitchen table reading
from his KHORDEH-AVESTA . His grandson wanted to be just like him and
tried to imitate him in every way he could.

One day the grandson asked, "Grandpa! I try to read the KHORDEH-AVESTA
. just like you , but I don't understand it . What good does reading
the KHORDEH-AVESTA do ? "

The Grandfather quietly turned from putting coal in the stove and
replied, "Take this coal basket down to the river and bring me back a
basket of water."

The boy did as he was told, but all the water leaked out before he got
back to the house. The grandfather laughed and said, "You'll have to
move a little faster next time," and sent him back to the river with
the basket to try again. Every time the boy ran faster, but again the
basket was empty before he returned home. Out of breath, he went to
get a bucket instead. The old man said, "I don't want a bucket of
water; I want a basket of water. You're just not trying hard enough;
try again " .

The boy again dipped the basket into river and ran hard, but when he
reached his grandfather the basket was again empty. Out of breath, he
said, "See Grandpa, it's useless ! " "So you think it is useless ? "
The old man said, "Look at the basket."

The boy looked at the basket and for the first time realized that the
basket was different. It had been transformed f rom a dirty old coal
basket and was now clean, inside and out.

"Son, that's what happens when you read the KHORDEH-AVESTA. You might
not understand or remember everything, but when you read it, you will
be
changed, inside and out. That is the work of Daadaar Ahuramazda in our lives."

"Celebrate Life. Care for others and share whatever you have with
those less fortunate than you. Broaden your vision, for the whole
world belongs to you."

FAITH CAN TAKE US PLACES.
(end)