Saturday, February 9, 2008

Public Meeting-Friday, 15-2-2008

From: The Parsee Voice
Date: Feb 9, 2008 3:29 PM
Subject: Public Meeting-Friday, 15-2-2008

Dasturjis & Scholar Priests Speak Out:
Acceptance / Conversion Not Acceptable

Date: Friday, 15th February 2008

Time: 6 p.m.

Place: Framjee Cawasjee Institute (Hall)
Opposite the Metro Adlabs, Dhobi Talao, Mumbai

Event: Dasturjis Public Meeting.

Our learned Dasturjis and Religious Scholar Priests will give a
public rebuttal against Acceptance/Conversion in Zoroastrianism.

Buses will be available from:

Dadar, Rustomframna Agiary starting at 4 p.m.
Parel, Tata Colony, from Police Chowky, Firdoshi, 4:15 p.m. Lalbaug,
A.H.Wadia Baug, near the main gate, 4: 30 p.m.

Navroze Baug, near the main entrance, 4 p.m.
Rustom Baug, near the main entrance, 4:30 p.m.
Jer Baug, near the main entrance, 4:45 p.m.
Cama Park, near the main entrance, 3 p.m.
Shapur Bharucha Baug, near the entrance, 3:15 p.m.
Panthaky Baug, near the main entrance, 3:45 p.m.

Buses will not be able to make long halts for pick ups.

Light refreshments will be provided.

Friday, February 8, 2008

Public Meeting-Friday, 15-2-2008

From: The Parsee Voice
Date: Feb 8, 2008 6:16 PM
Subject: Public Meeting-Friday, 15-2-2008
To: "Tehemton B. Adenwalla"

Dasturjis & Scholar Priests Speak Out:
Acceptance / Conversion Not Acceptable

Date: Friday, 15th February 2008

Time: 6 p.m.

Place: Framjee Cawasjee Institute (Hall)
Opposite the Metro Adlabs, Dhobi Talao, Mumbai

Event: Dasturjis Public Meeting.

Our learned Dasturjis and Religious Scholar Priests will give a
public rebuttal against Acceptance/Conversion in Zoroastrianism.

Buses will be available from:

Dadar, Rustomframna Agiary starting at 4 p.m.
Parel, Tata Colony, from Police Chowky, Firdoshi, 4:15 p.m. Lalbaug,
A.H.Wadia Baug, near the main gate, 4: 30 p.m.
Navroze Baug, near the main entrance, 4 p.m.
Rustom Baug, near the main entrance, 4:30 p.m.
Jer Baug, near the main entrance, 4:45 p.m.
Cama Park, near the main entrance, 3 p.m.
Shapur Bharucha Baug, near the entrance, 3:15 p.m.
Panthaky Baug, near the main entrance, 3:45 p.m.

Buses will not be able to make long halts for pick ups.

Light refreshments will be provided.

From Parsee Voice on Antia

From: The Parsee Voice
Date: Feb 8, 2008 2:07 PM
Subject: Fw: Antia
To: Tannaz Parakh

A message from one of our Traditionals.

_______________________________________________________________

Dear Sirs,

This is in response to the article entitled "Liberal Parsis take on
the Orthodox" penned by Sweta Ramanujan, which appeared in the HT
edition dated February 1, 2008.

The proverb "Ignorance Is Bliss" applies to these so-called Liberals
/ Radicals, who give one the impression of absurdity colouring their
thought patterns, apropos. These Rebels have donned the garb of a
Saviour or a Messiah of Zoroastrianism who seem to "know" the hows
and whys of this pristine religion without making an attempt to study
and cognize it.

To quote the co-founder of ARZ, Kersi Wadia : "Injustice is meted out
to inter-married Parsis….but the scriptures do not say anything like
this…They say the religion is universal…" This response from Kersi
Wadia sounds akin to a dialogue between two nursery kids fighting for
a lollipop !

I would like to ask Kersi Wadia apropos his "knowledge" of one of the
oldest religions of India - Zoroastrianism.

The opinions of these liberals are coloured with naivete and indicate
that they seem to be blissfully unaware of the VENDIDAD – details of
which are available on the internet, interalia, regarding
Zoroastrianism.

They have either not heard of or comprehended the meaning of
"jzirhum" , which is one of the main reasons why intermarriage cannot
be accepted, not only in Zoroastrianism, but in all religions, per se.
This concept applies to each and every religion. Man is not endowed
with cosmic powers to enable him to alter the message of the Prophets
of the religion of his birth.

A string of fancy degrees attached to names alongwith with pots full
of money and worldly luxuries do not bestow divine knowledge on
anybody and man has no authority whatsoever to modify either the text
or the meaning of the scriptures of ANY RELIGION ON EARTH MERELY TO
SUIT HIS WHIM & FANCY.

These "Liberals" are merely "refined idiots who lack commonsense"
and they are trying to woo the community members with loads of
FREEBIES merely to attend their meeting and witness them making total
fools of themselves. That if people decide to attend this meeting,
it will only be to procure "the FREEBIES", unlike community meetings
held by our High Priests in tandem with noted scholars of
Zoroastrianism, like Mr Adi Doctor and others, which are attended by
fellow Zoroastrians in L A R G E N U M B E R S WITHOUT ANY
FREE SNACKS OR BEVERAGES BEING GIVEN TO THEM MERELY TO ENTICE
THEM TO ATTEND SUCH MEETINGS.

That pamphlets enticing them with these FREEBIES have been dispatched
to all Parsi colonies / buildings in Bombay, pleading with them to
attend their "glorified" meeting.

In contrast, it would be advised that they thoroughly cognize
"Zoroastrianism" before worrying about our "dwindling numbers", for
purity is always preferred to adulteration, indubitably.

Here is an excerpt from the November 2005 edition of Parsee Voice,
which is self-explanatory:-

"In a section of the Hindu community in Bhubaneshwar, Orissa, which
are an eye-opener for the Parsee community and, particularly, for
those pernickety Parsees, like the trustees of ARZ or a panthaky or
two of certain Agiaries of Mumbai, In the month of November, certain
events took place who, because of ignorance, take pride in allowing a
non-Parsee spouse of a Parsee woman to attend the Zoroastrian
prayers/rituals performed in a temple or elsewhere.

It should be remembered that idols in a few Hindu temples only, are
consecrated. Therefore, non-Hindus are non-permitted there.

In the case of Parsee fire-temples, all of them having any or all of
the three categories of fires – Atash Behram, Adaran and Dadgah – are
consecrated and non-Parsees are not allowed inside.

Coming back to the Bhubaneshwar temples, where the incidents occurred
in November, we find that an American lady, Pamela Fleig and her
husband, Anil Kumar Yadav of U.P. whom she had married, after
"becoming a Hindu" under the Arya Samaj rites in June 2005, at
Varanasi, went to the 11th century Lingaraj temple, but were denied
entry, as the temple has never allowed a foreigner to enter in the
past. Twice the couple was denied entry, after which they lodged a
police complaint. All that the police could do, was register a case.
"It is a religious matter and we cannot help the couple enter the
temple. It is the temple authorities that can grant them the
permission," said the police officer.

The more important factor is that though the Shankaracharya of Puri
intervened later, the temple priests would not relent.:

An object lesson for some of our buzdil priests, who, even if they
don't encourage entry by aliens, do not have the guts to stop wrong
persons from entering the sacred Fire Temple! Thai Princess, Too!

As if this was not enough, a little later, the other famous temple in
Orissa, the Jagannath temple of Puri, also refused permission to the
Indira Gandhi Prize for Peace winner, the Princess of Thailand, Mahee
Chakri Sirindhorn.!

A senior temple official told the Time of India News Network: "This
has been a practice for centuries".

In this case, the Central Government itself had sought a clarification
from the Orissa government, whether the Princess would be allowed
entry into the 12th century temple. Said the official, "We consulted
the temple's body of priests and

pundits, who did not agree." Bravo!

Converted Hindus, Buddhists and Jains from other countries are not
allowed inside this temple!! Champions of "World Body of Zoroastrians"
should take careful note!

Non-Hindus Not Welcome In Guruvayur Temple In Kerala.

As if all this was not enough, the DNA. Sunday edition of 20th
November, 2005, reported that the famed Shree Krishna temple in
Guruvayur, in Thiruvananthapuram, performed repeated 15 pujas for a
marathon six and a half hour session on Saturday, 19th November.

Why ? Because the priests found that a non-Hindu had been present in
the temple for five days!............................"

The Parsee Voice

e-mail: theparseevoice@yahoo.com

Trust that this missive is taken in the right spirit and that
commonsense prevails on the Zuwaks / Radicals of Zoroastrianism whose
adage seems to be "DIVIDE AND RULE WITH VITRIOL, FOR WE HAVE
BEEN ORDAINED WITH MIRACULOUS POWERS TO INTRODUCE SWEEPING CHANGES IN
ZOROASTRIANISM BY VIRTUE OF OUR IMPURE AURA, INCORRECT KNOWLEDGE OF
ZOROASTRIANISM AND OUR FALSE BELIEFS" TO "BENEFIT ALL ZOROASTRIANS".
THAT HEDONISM IS PREFERRED TO A RELIGIOUS WAY OF LIFE....

Sincerely yours,

Mrs PERVIN R KAVARANA

Thursday, February 7, 2008

What really happened at Antia's talk on 2nd Feb

From: TZML Admins
Date: Feb 7, 2008 7:52 PM
Subject: What really happened at Antia's talk on 2nd Feb
To: TZML <TraditionalZarathushtris@yahoogroups.com>

HUMATA HUKHTA JHAVARASHTRA

Dear Zarathushti humdins,
cc: Vada Dasturjis,
cc: Ervad Sahebs,
cc: The Parsee Voice,
cc: Zoroastrian Studies,
cc: Parsi Pukar,
cc: Dini-Awaz,
cc: Prominent Zoroastrians,
cc: TZML
cc: TMYZ officials
forwarded to you is a very informative report by Mrs. Pervin J Mistry
on what actually happened at the Antia talk on 2nd Feb.

We are glad that Parsis made a dignified protest on what is a
non-issue in the Zoroastrian religion, viz "Acceptance" / "Conversion"

Conversion is a big "Con" played on trusting people. If
non-Zoroastrians like the teachings of our Prophet, they can always
read our Scriptures and put its lofty message in their daily life to
help them become better human beings. But formal "conversion" or
proselytism is not sanctioned.

And please do not forget - on 15th Feb, the Vada Dasturjis are going
to give a press statement. They will be giving a public rebuttal to
Kersey Antia's "Acceptance in Zoroastrianism"

Date: Friday, 15h Feb 2008
Time: 6 pm
At: The Framjee Cowasjee Institute (Hall), Opposite Metrolabs, Dhobhi
Talao. Mumbai.

Meanwhile, please read below for what happened on 2nd Feb.

Sincerely
TZML Admins.

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: pervin mistry
Sent: Thursday, 7 February, 2008 12:33:11 PM
Subject: Antia gets a dose of his own medicine


Dear Friends,

There are some false rumors going around re the event of February 2,
2008 when Kersey Antia gave his speech.

First of all, there were no 'hooligans' present at this meeting on
February 2, at the Y.B. Chavan Auditorium. If anything, it is Kersey
Antia who got a dose of his own medicine and he should know this
better than others, being a psychiatrist himself!

At one of the North American Zoroastrian Congresses that FEZANA
organizes every 2 years, in Houston, when one of the Guest Speakers,
one of the learned Dasturjis who was invited from India to speak, was
giving his speech from the podium, it was this same Kersey Antia who
started shouting derogatory words to the Dasturji Saheb! Was he a
hooligan then? This time, he got a dose of his own medicine from those
who came to listen to him.

Besides, the 'hooligan' community in North America (there are many
polite and civil ones too) has always treated speakers who hold
traditional views with contempt. Shall we say the entire heterodox
community in North America is full of 'hooligans'? In North America ,
opposition has not been amicably tolerated. Often, in the past,
individuals have written their views in the FEZANA Journal as to how
these Congresses held and supported mainly the one sided view, the
heterodox view!

These are facts.

Here, on February 2, 2008, when Kersey Antia was delivering his
speech, the traditionalists did not disrupt his talk! In fact, when he
was speaking, everyone clapped when he correctly said that in the
Gathas, Ha 30, the choice is between the two Paths! After stating
this, he went directly into propagating 'acceptance'/conversion! It is
only when the questions were not being addressed that those who wanted
to ask about the choice between the two Paths as opposed to the choice
between the two religions ('acceptance'/conversion), and the refusal
to answer these, that some in the audience started shouting that the
questions must be answered, as promised at the start of the speech.

It was then that Antia was visibly shaken. Also, no one was thrown
out!!! People who wanted to ask questions themselves got up and left
because they did not want to see the video promoting conversion.

So, in the end, I would say that Kersey Antia got a dose of his own
medicine for himself behaving like a hooligan with a Dasturji at
Houston , in the past! And, no one was held, taken into custody as
falsely reported. Even the trustees of ARZ/AIMZ, Dr. Grant, Mr.
Jeejeebhoy, Mrs. Meher Amarsee and the Guest Speaker, Mr. DaCunha left
as soon as the question-answer session was over! And, it took 15
police to escort on so-called "Vada Dastur", Kersey Antia to his car?
This is unbelievable!

Sincerely,

Pervin J Mistry.

Tuesday, February 5, 2008

Salgrehs today on Behram roj, Sherevar mah of YZ 1377 (Tues, 5 Feb)

From: Tehemton B. Adenwalla
Date: Feb 5, 2008 6:23 AM
Subject: Salgrehs today on Behram roj, Sherevar mah of YZ 1377 (Tues, 5 Feb)
To: TZML <TraditionalZarathushtris@yahoogroups.com>


Baname Khuda!

Dear Zarathushti friends,
today is Behram roj, the month is Sherevar and the year YZ 1377.

We have the Salgrehs of these agiaries:

Seth Nusservanji Hirji Karani Adarian at Cusrow Baug, Colaba, Mumbai.

This adarian was consecrated in the year YZ 1216 (1847) and is 161
years old today.

Lady Avabai Jamshedji Jeejebhoy Adarian, Malesar, Navsari


This adarian was consecrated in the year YZ 1222 (1853) and is 155
years old today.


Seth Nusservanji Ratanji Tata Adarian, Bandra, Mumbai


This adarian was consecrated in the year YZ 1253 (1884) and is 123
years old today.

If you are visiting any of these salgreh functions, do send us a report.

Last year, Mr Behram Dhabhar attended the Karani Agiary (Cusrow Baug)
celebrations and mentioned that there was a jashan in the Haavan geh,
followed by a speech of Dasturji Kotwal recited by Ervad Aspandiar
Dadachangi. The Vada Dasturjis - Dasturji Kotwal, Dasturji Peshotan
Mirza and Dasturji Jamaspasa were also present.

So there it is in a nutshell - Salgreh functons are a good chance to
charge one's spiritual batteries. The more we attend, the better for
the Agiary, for the community spirit and for ourselves.

Sincerely

Tehemton B. Adenwalla

Saturday, February 2, 2008

ARZ's mistruths will be paraded today. Yet, we thank Vada Dasturjis for guiding us

From: TZML Admins
Date: Feb 2, 2008 3:43 PM
Subject: ARZ's mistruths will be paraded today. Yet, we thank Vada
Dasturjis for guiding us
To: TZML <TraditionalZarathushtris@yahoogroups.com>


PLEASE FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO ALL SINCERE AND GOOD ZARATHUSHTIS
WHO WILL BENEFIT FROM IT

Sarosh roj

2 Feb 2008

Dear Zarathushti humdins,
cc: Vada Dasturjis,
cc: Ervad Sahebs,
cc: The Parsee Voice,
cc: Zoroastrian Studies,
cc: Parsi Pukar,
cc: Dini-Awaz,
cc: Prominent Zoroastrians,
cc: TZML
cc: TMYZ officials

today is Saturday, the 2nd of February.

ARZ have arranged a meeting in Mumbai where they have invited a
"defrocked" priest from USA, Kersey Antia, who incurred the wrath and
censure of his superiors when he attempted to convert a white
Christian in the 80s.

That the Zoroastrian religion does not have "conversion" (or
"acceptance" as it has been called to make it more agreeable) is a
fact of Nature. The only conversion spoken of in the Gathas is the
conversion of one's evil mentality into good thoughts.

No prophet, Zarathushtra or otherwise, would exhort his followers to
convert from an established religion and start practising another
religion. All the Prophets are well versed in the master Plan of God,
which has different religions for different groups of mankind. A
person is born into a particular religion and it is his/her duty to be
loyal to it till death.

The only reason ARZ, in their finite wisdom, have pushed "conversion"
through costly adverts in the Parsee press, is that they can please
the rich intermarrieds who have non-Zoroastrian spouses. That is
accurately confirmed since ARZ openly supports the Association of
Intermarried Zoroastrians, who has Meher Amarsey and others as its
spokesperson.

The real Vada Dasturjis, God bless them, have clearly disassociated
from the ARZ group and have clearly conveyed their displeasure at its
acts. That is why ARZ have resorted to desperate measures like getting
a forgotten priest from USA, Kersey Antia and brandish him as a "Vada
Dastur".

We have also heard, and perhaps those who attend today's meeting will
confirm this, that ARZ is going to pay some monetary allurements to
the mobeds who will attend today's meeting out of curiosity.

We also predict that ARZ will claim in tomorrow's papers that the
"meeting was a huge success". A large number of photos will be
published and a huge write-ups will be written. The un-wise will
congratulate the blind in an attempt to mislead the innocent members
of our community.

But, dear friends, you do not have to fall in this trap. Over the last
few days, we have been sharing many articles written by true
Zarathshti scholars and Vada Dasturjis, showing how wrong ARZ are. The
true Zarathushti publications too have protested against ARZ.

But this too shall pass.

Those who are attending today's meeting, do so, and see for yourself
how money and misguided interests can cause people to take a wrong
path.

Do send us a report / email to show your displeasure at the
proceedings and how our Zarathushti religion's teachings of
"no-conversion", "no-intermarriage" will be distorted today.

And those who will not be attending the meeting, well done, good on
you to show your displeasure and boycotting it.

We thank all of you for your patience and for forwarding the many
emails we send to your friends and relatives so that they are not
misled.

We pray that Ahura Mazda and Sarosh Yazad protect our community.

Sincerely
TZML Admins.
(Email: tzmladmn@gmail.com)

PLEASE FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO ALL SINCERE AND GOOD ZARATHUSHTIS
WHO WILL BENEFIT FROM IT

Salgrehs on Sarosh roj, Sherevar mah, YZ 1377 - Sat, 2nd Feb, 2008

From: Tehemton B. Adenwalla
Date: Feb 2, 2008 12:08 PM
Subject: Salgrehs on Sarosh roj, Sherevar mah, YZ 1377 - Sat, 2nd Feb, 2008
To: TZML <TraditionalZarathushtris@yahoogroups.com>

Baname Khuda!

Dear Zarathushti humdins,

today is Sarosh roj of Sherevar mah in the Yezdegari year 1377.

There are Salgrehs of quite a few agiaries today (6), and here is the list:

* Seth Jeejebhoy Dadabhoy Adarian - Colaba, Mumbai

This Adarian situated at the southern tip of Mumbai at Colaba was
consecrated way back in YZ 1205 (AD 1836) and is therefore 172 years
old.

* Seth Hormasji Dadabhoy Saher Adarian - Breach Candy, Mumbai

The Saher Adarian was consecrated in the year YZ 1215 (AD 1846) and is
therefore 162 years old.

* Ghamat Adarian - Bhatha, near Surat ((Choriasi Taluka)

This Adarian was consecrated in the year YZ 1231 and is 146 years old.

* Baug-e-Parsa Adarian - Surat

This Adarian situated at Khatki wad at Surat was consecrated in the
year YZ 1265 (AD 1896) and is 112 years old.

* Seth Faramji Cawasji Contractor Adarian - Vadodra (Baroda), Gujarat

The Contractor Adarian at Vadodra was consecrated in the year YZ 1293
(AD 1924) and is 84 years old.

* Faramji and Dorabji Hormusji Gazder Dadgah - Chikli, near Billimora
/ Gandevi, Gujarat

The Gazder Agiary (Dadgah) was consecrated in the year YZ 1243 (AD
1874) and is 134 years old.


If you would be attending the Salgreh function, then send us a report
of the proceedings.

Photos of the occasion too are welcome.

Sincerely
Tehemton B. Adenwalla